Guru and his disciple meet again, as the disciple was nurturing a doubt. He wanted to get this clarified from his Guru.
Disciple: One of my close friend’s father died yesterday. He was extremely a good person. He did pūjā everyday for more than two hours. Then he would start reading epics. In the evening he would share his knowledge with others. I feel sorry for him. You have been saying that I should get liberated in this life itself. Suppose I die before realization, then what would happen to me?
Guru: Are you rattled by his death?
Disciple: Yes, I am terribly rattled. That man was too good and I cannot stand his loss. I used to interact with him a lot. He used to answer many of my queries. But he would become too wild if I repeat my question, in case I am not able to understand his explanation. As you know, I have very little grasping capacity.
Guru: Yes, many people do not like questioning. Earnest seekers will have too many doubts and without getting those doubts clarified, you cannot spiritually evolve. Only by repeated questioning, you can satiate spiritual quest. An evolved person will never get upset on questioning. You have enough grasping capacity. As you are trying to understand the Self, naturally there will be several doubts in your mind. When you are evolving spiritually, transition points will be very arduous to transcend and these points of transition are extremely crucial in everybody’s spiritual attainment. It is like a cat on the wall. You can climb the wall with ease; but which side to fall is crucial. On one side of the wall, there is God stretching His hands to take you unto HIM to liberate you and on another side there are God’s deputies. They will season you over a period of time, which is quite a lengthy process. During their process of seasoning, you continue to remain as a paśu, which means spiritual nescience. During this point of transition, unless you conglomerate your mind, intellect, consciousness and ego (antaḥkaraṇa) to decide which side to fall, you will continue to exist as a confused personality. The state of paśu can be transcended with the help of pāśupatāsta mantra, which is six lettered om namaḥśivāya (ॐ नमःशिवाय). Pāśupatāsta consists of three words – pāśu + pāta + asta where pāśu refers to spiritual nescience, pāta refers to destruction and asta means missile. This means by contemplating Śiva, your entire spiritual ignorance is destroyed. This destruction of paśu state is possible only by resorting to pāśupatāsta.
But how come, your friend’s father who was so religious lost his temper with you?
Disciple: This happened several times. When he was at his full flow, I used to interrupt him and this would trigger his anger.
Guru: You should not have done this. When a person is at his best in spiritual discourse, he should not be interrupted. You have to note down your points and raise your doubts later. Interrupting him will hamper the flow of his thoughts.
Spiritual evolution can happen only through questioning and it would always be ideal to have one to one interaction in spiritual path. It should be the way in which you are interacting with me.
Disciple: I have another doubt. My friend’s father though was highly ritual, I know for sure that he is not a realized soul.
Guru: How do you say that?
Disciple: There are many instances. He used to become wild when anything goes against his wish. He used to fight with his family members even for silly things. I felt sad for them and I know they not only respected him, but also loved him and literally adored him. At the time of his death, what could have been his spiritual status? Will he be reborn or could he have been liberated?
Guru: It is difficult to say about rebirths. But from what you describe, I am constrained to think that he is in for several rebirths. But remember that knowing past and future births is not possible at all.
Disciple: What will happen to such souls at the time of death? I am sure that he is not realized. At the same time I also know that he spent hours together in doing pūjā, reading Scriptures, etc. Even then will he be reborn?
Guru: Yes, he will be reborn. His stage can be closely explained to the state of yoga bhraṣṭa. Bhraṣṭa means falling from spiritually evolved state. Yoga bhraṣṭa means falling from the state of higher spiritual status due to multiple reasons. Anger, ego, greed and lust are the foremost of the distracting factors. When a person who dies in the state of yoga bhraṣṭa is surely reborn and gets liberated in the next birth or possibly the birth after that.
Disciple: Then who attains liberation?
Guru: The one who properly meditates on the teaching of his Guru alone will get liberated. What a realized Guru teaches? He teaches about Brahman. He teaches you to look within. This is true meditation. You do not reach this stage overnight. That is why I always like to use the word spiritual evolution. You have to evolve and cannot be stagnant. Spiritual evolution can happen only in your mind and not through your senses.
Disciple: Do you mean to say that by simply meditating on the teachings of a Guru would cause spiritual evolution?
Guru: Yes and no. When a disciple listens to the spiritual impartment of his Guru and proceeds to meditate on the validity and reasoning of his teachings, he surely moves much faster in his spiritual path. When he has considerably advanced in his spiritual path and is about to realize the Self, his final path is revealed by God Himself. This revelation is known as atitīvra Śaktipāta and is different from Śaktipāta. Atitīvra means very strong and atitīvra Śaktipāta means powerful descent of Divine Grace and this Grace literally pierces the disciples mind and purges both physical and moral impurities (mala). When atitīvra Śaktipāta descends, he immediately realizes the Self. This atitīvra Śaktipāta cannot be attained in any other way except meditating on the teachings of Guru.
Disciple: What would be the teachings of a Guru?
Guru: A true Guru will carefully guide through various stages of spiritual attainment. He will first lay foundation by asking you to do pūjā and japa. Then he will make you to understand meditation and he will guide carefully and make you to understand the Self. In literal sense, a Guru will spiritually nourish his disciple.
Do you know that we can celebrate Dīpāvali daily?
Disciple: How? It comes once in a year only!
Guru: Dīpāvali means nocturnal illumination. Spiritually, nocturnal can be explained as darkness of spiritual ignorance. Dīpa means light and vala means a cave. This cave refers to the place in our body where the Self (Dīpa) is situated. Kaṭha Upaniṣad says that the Abode of the Self in our body is like a cave, which represents darkness. What this darkness means? It means our spiritual ignorance. Though, the Self is always illuminating, Its illumination is not realized by us as we always look outside as if the Self is outside our body. The same Upaniṣad says that the Self is not an object of our vision nor we can see It with our biological eyes. This Self can be realized only through a purified mind. Impure mind is darkness and when impurities of mind are destroyed, the effulgent Self is realized. Learn to separate this Self from your body and when you are able to separate this Self and realize It, you are realized. When you practice this, it is nitya-dīpāvali.
Had your friend’s father celebrated nitya-dīpāvali, he would have merged unto Him, if not he will be born again.
Disciple: Can you elaborate on this?
Guru: Not now. There will be a time for you to know the ultimate Truth. You are not yet ready for this. When you are ready, I will reveal this to you.
Balavivek
November 01, 2013 10:59 AM
It is often seen in the traditional lineages that the ultimate key lies in the hands of the guru. Rarely does a disciple gets to ask his guru various confusions arising in the mind. The guru has just this wholesome formula, "follow my orders, I know what is best for you." So a disciple continues, sometime spending very long periods under a certain guru and then suddenly one fine morning realises that he is not going anywhere but stuck in the same place where he started. And then starts the mental churning and a great disbelief sets in about the whole concept of guru and more importantly the path he followed with so much devotion!
This is just one of the many scenarios which many spiritual aspirants experience nowadays!
What I am trying to ask you are two different questions:
1. How does a "novice" with a very vague ideas on Guru, but who wants to kick start his spiritual journey understand who is perfect for him?
2. Secondly in this world of "information overflow" what should be the primary duty of a "21st century disciple" who googles for answers, rather in approaching his Guru?
Thanking you in advance!
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MANBLUNDER
November 01, 2013 11:37 AM
There are two aspects in Guru-disciple relationship. A disciple should be in touch with his Guru as much as possible. A disciple should not hesitate to seek clarifications from his Guru. A disciple may think that a particular doubt is not very significant to seek an answer from his Guru. But this doubt could change his spiritual path. Doubt means doubt and should be clarified immediately with his Guru. If someone says, “follow my orders”, then I am sorry, he is not a Guru at all. Guru should never be looked upon as someone in a higher pedestal. I have been repeatedly emphasizing that even God should not worshiped on a higher pedestal as it signifies duality. Therefore, a Guru should be a friend, philosopher and guide.
The one with no pomp and vanity and no crowd around him is the right kind of Guru one should seek. Most importantly, a Guru should be easily accessible. A Guru should not forget that he was also a novice a few years ago.
Though by and large, spiritual path is the same for everyone, but during higher levels everybody’s path is surely different and a Guru has to take forward each of them differently. A Guru relies upon one’s age, profession, available free time, his current spiritual status, etc to evaluate a disciple’s spiritual status. Based on these categories, a Guru takes forward a disciple in spiritual path. Information available on www no doubt is significant and at least 50% of the information is authentic. But this cannot be totally followed, for the reasons explained above.
A disciple’s job is not over after getting a mantra initiated. The bondage between a Guru and his disciple should exist till the disciple is liberated. It should always remain as a sacred and trusted relationship.
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MANBLUNDER
November 01, 2013 12:01 PM
I have forgotten to add an important point. From the date of initiation, if there is no visible spiritual evolution in the disciple, it signifies that there is something seriously wrong either with Guru or his/her disciple. At this stage, their relationship needs to be reviewed. In general, it would take three years for an earnest disciple to realize the Self under the guidance of his/her Guru. In many instances, realization could happen much before that.
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Adyaksh Kalajith
November 07, 2013 01:49 PM
A thought provoking discussion. I completely agree with your view that even God cannot be looked upon as someone in high pedestal as this leads to duality. But I think as long as you remain in the realm of Sakala duality is the reality and to actually realize the oneness one has to reach Divyabhava. To proclaim non-duality in the state of Pashu leads only to delusion and nothing else, even in one Crore lives. Nothing ever replaces Sadhana. We find these kind of fanciful notions in most of the so-called enlightened "Godmen" who travel by BMW cars and build Ashrams worth crores of Rupees. Most of them are men of straw. My serious contemplation nowadays is how to find the right guru, which is an extremely onerous task indeed... May be instead of seeking an external Guru, we have to awaken the Guru within by constant meditation supplemented by reading divine scriptures. This may be the best course of action in this Kaliyuga in my view. Correct me If I'm wrong.
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MANBLUNDER
November 07, 2013 02:09 PM
Spirituality is commercialized nowadays. It is unfortunate that spirituality is sold as a commodity. Even mantras are sold for a price. Every mantra initiation has a price tag in many places. Anyway this is not the point of discussion now.
Sadhana has many steps. It begins from external worship and gradually moves up to nirvikalpa samadhi. Without sadhana we cannot move an inch into our spiritual path. Only religious practices form the strong foundation for spiritual path. The internal transformation happens on its own, depending upon the depth of devotion and sincerity of practice. To evaluate and guide a serious aspirant, we surely need a Guru who knows how to guide. In my opinion, by properly practicing for about six months, one can leave the state pasu and move on to higher spiritual levels, for which there should be a proper interaction between Guru (without ashtrams and BMW) and his disciple.
Finding the right Guru is undoubtedly difficult and one is lucky, he or she will surely get the right Guru.
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Mathew
November 10, 2013 03:48 PM
Raviji Please post about Sri Vidya and ego...how bad is that sri vidya upaasakas consider themselves superior and what is the true quality of a true upaasaka
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MANBLUNDER
November 10, 2013 05:17 PM
You want an article on Śrī Vidyā upāsaka and ego !! You are asking for the impossible !! They forget that a sthitaprajña is far superior, a Yogi is far more superior and a jīvanmukata is the most superiorest of all (forgive me for Shakespearean language). These two nāma-s explain the reality. Lalitā Sahasranāma 870 and 871
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